Dances With Werewolves AKA Mini Got Forwood Spoiler Whore Edition – Tyler/Caroline Speculation

But until then, there are plenty of hints of what to come to whet our appetite!

So, fellow spoiler whores Gen and Charlotte both tipped me off about brand new Tyler/Caroline tidbits, some potentially eyeroll-worthy, some highly potentially game-changing when it comes to my current view of certain relationship dynamics and some with the potential to rival the awesomeness that was Angel dancing in She.

Intrigued? Let us convo! Spoilery goodness after the cut.

E! Online Spoiler Chat gave us this juicy tidbit about Tyler/Caroline:

Let’s just say a green little monster whose name rhymes with Melousy becomes Caroline’s friend when she sees Tyler dancing with another girl at Elena’s party. Looking ahead, their Romeo and Juliet-esque relationship takes a truly Shakespearean turn when someone we know—and kind of trust—aims to hurt our favorite blonde.

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Ever since hints of Urges Girl AKA Tyler’s date to Elena’s birthday party came from the Zap2It camp, a large portion of Tyler/Caroline fandom have been hoping against hope the clichéd teen drama storyling of Girl Realises Feelings For Boy When She Becomes Jealous After Seeing With Other Girl would be avoided.

Vampire Diaries is >>> 90210 and Gossip Girl when it comes to original approaches to teen relationships, so there has been a bit of a collective eyeroll on forums…

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…after TC fandom in the wake of this bit of information.

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That’s not to say these shows haven’t give me happy memories, like this smoking hot kiss

A few people have asked me how I feel about this spoiler. Honestly I’m a little disappointed (though I’ll withhold complete judgment until we see how the situation pans out), because Caroline’s relationship problems with Matt were so closely linked to what he perceived to be her jealous freakouts, that I just wanted them to stay away from this territory for the sake of remaining safely exiled from Matt World in Tyler’s Sexy Siberia.

On the other hand, I am dead curious to see whether Caroline is comfortable expressing her jealousy to Tyler, and what Tyler’s reaction is. I think I would also warm to the situation if the jealousy is incidental, rather than a clearly calculated attempt on Tyler’s part to get Caroline to see the green-eyed monster. I don’t think that attempting to deliberately make Caroline jealous really fits with Tyler’s character though. He is direct to the point of snark in many occasions, cutting through the crap where other characters dance around a subject matter. So, I think he is either resigned to the fact that he believes Caroline’s heart will always belong to Matt and/or she just doesn’t see him that way, or he doesn’t want to pursue anything because it could put her in jeopardy.

As Dogtown pointed out at Television Without Pity, the jealousy angle is far preferable to the notion that Tyler might sleep with Caroline under the guise of Friends With Benefits, a highly unethical AKA DICK move if he went through with it considering he is in love with the girl. This would constitute a betrayal of trust and non-disclosure that would rival Matt conspiring behind Caroline’s back with her mother.

LOL also at the thought of Tyler dancing (dances with werewolves, anyone?). I’ve seen plenty of dancing vampires bust a move on my TV screen, with Angel being the most giggle-worthy and Damon the most swoon-worthy.

This may be David Boreanaz’s finest acting moment, apart from when he went shirtless after The Three attacked him and Buffy and he got pokered.

I can’t wait to see which side of these two extremes Tyler fits into, although I guess the writers might chicken out and just give us a slow dance between Tyler and Urges Girl.

On a Vicki-related note, it’s bound to be like a slap in the face from beyond the grave that Tyler is perfectly happy to dance with some random, after he refused to dance with her at a major Lockwood party on their ill-fated final date. Tyler: “I don’t dance.” BB, you are a lying liar who lies, clearly!

So, Alyssa, you can smile smugly knowing that if Caroline is jealously, in all likelihood her feelings will come out and the TC sex will not only be real, but with both parties fully aware of how the other feels! Nicely speculated!

The most interesting spoilery tidbit, buried deep within the paragraph, is that someone we trust will do a 180 and try to hurt Caroline. An insider at Television Without Pity has strongly hinted that not only will this person be Carol Lockwood, but she is likely to take matter into her own hands. Interesting, interesting. I was SO SURE that Balthazar from Supernatural, my latest obsession, AKA the new vampire slayer in town, would be hired out by Mrs Lockwood.

The notion of her taking on a vampire, not least of all Caroline, who she has generally been kind to, is intriguing to say the least.

I guess we know have a good idea now how the R&J thing will escalate: Liz Forbes, who is slowly patching up her relationship with Caroline will no doubt take issue with Tyler’s mother trying to hurt her while conveniently forgetting she spied on Caroline and considered killing her herself.

Oh Carol, what a shame, I really like you and the cute relationship you have with your son. But I hope you pitch off another staircase if you hurt my Vampire Barbie!

It makes you wonder if Carol only finds out about Caroline, or if she discovers the vampire identity of the Salvatores et al. Hopefully for her sake she doesn’t make the foolish move of trying to bring down the Salvatores, which never ends well for anyone on this show. Funny how most of us have to worry about meeting the parents of our boyfriends (Tyler’s future status with Caroline, no doubt), and yet Caroline has to worry about her potential future mother-in-law trying to kill her!

I kind of hope that Damon’s identity remains a secret when it comes to Carol, because I’m secretly hoping she would denigrate vampires compared with werewolves (since Trevino indicates she’ll find out her son is one), triggering Damon’s argument reflex in the process. Plus, given his relationship with his father, I bet he would have some unexpectedly insightful comments about dealing with kids with supernatural issues. His “you don’t know how wrong you are” line in response to Liz’s claim that her daughter was dead, when she first discovered Caroline had been vamped, remains one of my favourite all-time Damon moments.

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15 responses to “Dances With Werewolves AKA Mini Got Forwood Spoiler Whore Edition – Tyler/Caroline Speculation

  • Paloma

    “Honestly I’m a little disappointed (though I’ll withhold complete judgment until we see how the situation pans out), because Caroline’s relationship problems with Matt were so closely linked to what he perceived to be her jealous freakouts”

    I think Caroline’s jealousy freak outs on Matt were more because he always treated her like garbage so it just compounded her feelings of insecurity. This jealousy thing with Tyler will be different, I think—I hope—mostly because I can see Caroline not even really understanding why she feels jealous when she sees Tyler and Urges Girl dancing (and I think it’ll be a slow dance—more opportunity for close physical contact to greater spur on Caroline’s feeling of jealousy). And if Caroline DOES think she understands why she’s jealous, I can totally see it being because she sees Urges Girl as being an interloper and taking her Summer BFF away from her, not because of anything romantic—at first.

    Caroline has had Tyler all to herself for what amounts to three months (in a teenager’s worldview, it may as well be three years!), even if it has solely been in the capacity as friends. In that time, I’m sure Tyler has been nothing less than totally attentive which must make for a nice change for her. Bonnie, Elena, and Matt all treated her more like an afterthought than a friend/girlfriend. I can see why she wouldn’t want to let go of that or let anyone come between them, poor bb. She’s never The One, after all, but with Tyler, whether she realises it or not, she’s had a taste of it, even if it’s through what she considers a platonic relationship.

    Regardless of how Caroline may or may not feel, the show is clearly coming at this from a romantic angle because of the R&J storyline kicking off as early as 3×02, so I could see this being the thing that opens her eyes and makes her understand that “friendly” isn’t all that she feels towards Tyler. I think this jealousy will simply lead to Caroline finally becoming aware of her real feelings for Tyler, rather than another one of her Matt induced jealousy freak outs. It’s not my favourite scenario, but in true TVD style they are going at T/C at breakneck speed and this is the fastest way to do it, so buckle up and hold onto a bottle of your preferred booze for dear life, sanity, and emotional well-being.

    As for Tyler’s reasons for bringing Urges Girl to Elena’s birthday party, I may be hopeful and optimistic to a fault, but I think Tyler is trying to move on. His summer of hanging out with Caroline is coming to an end as the new school year approaches. He knows that with the onset of school, Caroline will too busy (with her classes and the billions of committees she’s always a part of) to spend as much time with him as she has during the summer. Add to that those urges and, yeah, I’m not surprised he’s brought a date to the birthday party. And under the circumstances, I can’t really fault him for it either. So I’m clinging to the idea he didn’t bring her to make Caroline jealous because a) he’s trying to move on, and b) I don’t think that he thinks Caroline feels “that way” about him.

    Something I would love to see is if at some point during Caroline’s and Elena’s conversation, Elena confronts Caroline with her own words of “moving on with her life” now that Matt is no longer in the picture. Elena could ask her about Tyler and all the time they’ve been spending together over the summer. Caroline would insist that they’re just friends, but it might make her look a little more closely at her relationship with Tyler and to wonder if “friendly” is all she feels towards him. Of course, since it’s ALWAYS ABOUT ELENA, this sort of conversation will never happen between them. Heaven forbid if the focus veers for even a second from the Triangle of Doom. *sigh*

    I would also like for Matt’s and Caroline’s encounter at the party to further this whole Caroline-figuring-out-her-true-feelings thing. With this encounter being “unfriendly” and if Matt is continuing his modus operandi of being a douchebag to Caroline and says something mean or hurtful, I want Tyler to be there for her. Not necessarily to defend Caroline—I would love it if she finally defended herself and told Matt to get lost because she deserves to be treated better than second best. But let’s face it. She doesn’t have a great track record for doing this around Matt. Tyler wouldn’t even have to say anything to Matt, just be there for Caroline and maybe ask her if she’s okay once the encounter is over, and show her that someone in Mystic Falls does support her and cares about her wellbeing. And maybe offer to beat up Matt, which could elicit a smile or a laugh from Caroline, and she would reply that she’s stronger than Tyler and could beat up Matt all on her own if she wanted to.

    So, with Elena bringing up Tyler and suggesting he’s more than friend material, Tyler being supportive after the unfriendly Matt encounter, and Caroline seeing Tyler with another girl all jumbling about in Caroline’s head, she finally realises what a silly girl she’s been, and when opportunity knocks and Tyler’s lying shirtless on his bed and she’s in her (really cute) matching bra and panties set, what option does she have other than to leap on him? She’s been feeling those urges, too, thanks to her heightened supernatural senses. I’m still not sure how to fit Tyler’s very pained look into my scenario. (I have, like, two or three theories about that which also tie into why Caroline is at his place, wearing only her lingerie, and leaping on him for non-sexual reasons but that would take another epic comment and I need to be working on my stupid story instead because of that stupid deadline with that stupid punishment I stupidly imposed on myself because I’m clearly stupid.) If the extremely pained look IS because of sexual frustration, it’s a good thing nothing happens with Urges Girl because he’d probably break her or something. He needs someone like Caroline who’s stronger than he is so he won’t end up hurting her during sexytimes. :D

    Ugh. Did I really write that much?

    • Spidey Sense

      Hmm, missy, this epic comment wouldn’t be a certain someone putting off finishing her Tyler/Caroline fan fic by her set deadline, now would it? ;) The days are ticking by!! Just think of half-naked Trevino as an incentive anytime your attention wanes.

      First off, sadly I think you are right and we’ll only see a slow dance – no Whedonverse dancing histrionics! It will be hard to take Tyler’s date seriously now that we’ve all taken to calling her Urges Girl (kind of like an honorary Thing Three!).

      You know, the more I think about it, the more that I think it was unfair for Caroline’s expressions of jealousy to be labeled as freak outs. In most instances, she was well within her rights to be peeved, like when Matt was flirting with Thing Two. It doesn’t matter whether your girlfriend has blown you off for the day or not, if you’re in love with her as you claimed the night before, you should be friendly but not drinking in the attention of another chick.

      I would LOVE if Caroline doesn’t quite understand why she is feeling jealous, ala Ron and Hermione at the Yule Ball, at least at first. I say this mainly as a fan of Candice’s ability to pull off cute annoyance, like she did when she first went hunting with Stefan and he tried to gently explain she was now a control freak on crack. I could completely see her drawing Tyler aside and him being all confused about her liking him, and then the light bulb going off and him realizing she likes him too! On the other hand, her experiencing a lightning bolt moment of realization and her taking charge of the situation after the chat with Elena would work equally well, since I like Caroline when she is being take-no-prisoners and going after what she wants, like with Miss Mystic Falls. And just like that title, she deserves it – it being having feelings for someone who reciprocates them completely.

      I’m glad there has been so much stress on the Caroline/Tyler friendship remaining the bottom line, because Tyler’s role extends far beyond love interest. He and Caroline have had dysfunctional relationships with lots of people in their orbit, but are at their most nurturing and supportive with each other (Daddy Issues situation aside). So, I can’t wait to see Caroline blossom when her goodness is appreciated and she is treated as The One not The Placeholder for once. There have been mentions of a Tyler/Elena conversation at the party. I am highly intrigued to discover whether or not Caroline is mentioned in this conversation, or in what capacity. Surely their friends have picked up on the vibe between them, and I would love if Elena called him out on them in a sweet, joking way. Or, for him to be talking to Elena, only to have his attention completely diverted once Caroline arrives. Elena is almost universally attracted to the hot, non-related men on this show, and I like that Tyler has never appeared to be attracted to Elena, and I want him to be someone who is forever immune to her magic pixie dust.

      Oh, I didn’t want to leave the impression that I think Caroline will have a jealous freak out on Tyler. Though, if she did have a mini implosion, I suspect he would react WAY differently to Matt. He would probably find it endearing and be excited about the potential implications of her jealousy, or simply quietly reassure her that their bond remains as strong as ever. I guess that I am SO sick of the writers harping on Caroline’s flaws of being insecure and neurotic that I’m cautious when a storyling calls for these traits to be exploited. However, the writers have yet to let me down with these two, so hopefully it’ll be done in a fresh way. Even better, maybe the writers are deliberately exploring this angle to contrast the healthiness of her relationship with Tyler as compared with Matt. Although, as 12_12_12 pointed out on her livejournal, that would require the writers to have an understanding of how passive-aggressive Matt comes across when interacting with Caroline.

      I tend to agree with you that Tyler is really only bringing Urges Girl to Elena’s birthday party in an effort to move on. We know he doesn’t feel worthy of her, and he made the first move and was rejected even before the shit hit the fan in Daddy Issues, so he probably has chalked up her response to her kiss as a heat of the moment reaction. So, I really do think it will take some form of initiation, or a tangible sign from Caroline that she feels the same way, for him to take the next step with her. He’s probably such a lovesick puppy by this point that it hurts being around Caroline a little while not being able to BE with her, so maybe Urges Girl is his way of trying to emotionally distance himself from the situation.

      I would love it if Elena picks up on the vibe between Tyler and Caroline and brings this up when Caroline tells her life is passing her by. I just want more scenes of the Powerpuff Girls being open and honest and actively caring for each other. I mean, Buffy was an AMAZING friend to Willow when Will was complaining about Oz not giving her smoochies, despite the fact that Angel’s soul had been lost the episode before and her own true love had gone down in flames. Surely Elena can offer a little advice to Caroline, despite understandably being distracted about Stefan? One of Elena’s lesser moments for me was when she zoned out when Caroline was bitching about her mother after just being vamped, because all she wanted to talk about was her faux fight with Stefan. This could be a major redeeming moment for her in terms of the way she generally treats Caroline. Elena can be awesome, but very rarely when it comes to Caroline, sadly.

      I am dead curious to find out what the particulars of the unpleasant encounter with Matt at the party are. This could be a defining moment for her, if she does tell him to GTFO. The evil part of me hopes it is a jealous freak out of his own that Tyler and Caroline clearly has something going on, which he realizes after initially watching Caroline from afar with “I want to get back with you” eyes. He needs a taste of his own medicine. Hee. I LOVE your scenario though of Tyler offering to beat Matt up, and Caroline saying thanks, but I can kick his butt better than you ;) The physical power dynamic between Tyler/Caroline is one of the best parts of this pairing.

      I really do wonder about why Tyler is just chilling on his bed, shirtless. I guess he could have stripped down after the party a little bit and kicked back on the bed to relax a little, but that would be more writer contrivance and fan service (hey, nothing wrong with that!) than anything else. It seems unlikely that Caroline has thrown him on the bed, since his posture indicates that he has been waiting for her. It’s hard to tell from the clip though, and her vamp superspeed could mean this is possible. Or maybe Caroline strips down to her cute underwear while he watches in pained ecstatic agony.

      Oh, now I want to know what your scenarios for non-sexual Tyler pouncing are *bats eyelashes*

      • Paloma

        You’d think that comment would just be a lesson in procrastination but it’s really me throwing out my thoughts and ideas about all the latest stuff that’s come out of TVD Land or else it’ll just end up interfering with my thoughts and ideas for The Beast (I shall from now on refer to my story as The Beast). I need to get all the spec out of my system so I can go back to focussing on The Beast. And it’s working to a degree because I’m not plagued by wanting to write a scenario (or three) based on the promo and the stills of T/C we’ve seen lately. Unfortunately, when I open up the doc, I just end up rereading everything I wrote and not really adding much in the way of new scenes. The Beast is complete in my head so I know what’s missing, what I need to write—they all play over and over in my head like scenes from a film—but when I try, the words (well, the right words) just won’t come. ARGH! Very, very frustrating.

        I’m with you on using the term “freak out” in describing Caroline’s jealous reaction. I know it doesn’t come across in the written word, but if you heard me say it? I’d definitely sound annoyed and sarcastic when using it (and if you could see me, I’d also be rolling my eyes), because her jealous reactions towards Matt were totally justified, IMO. God, Matt is such a bad boyfriend.

        As for my scenario for the non-sexual (at first, of course) Tyler pouncing, here goes (I shall try to be brief…hahahahahaha *laughs hysterically*). Let’s start off with why Caroline is at Tyler’s house in the first place and wearing only cute lingerie. (Is there anything about Caroline that isn’t adorable?) There are three possible reasons:

        1) Maybe things at the Forbes household have been difficult because Caroline and Tyler continue to hang out together. Whether or not Liz knows about how a werewolf bite can kill a vampire, I think knowing Tyler is a werewolf is enough to want him to stay clear of her daughter. Werewolves are a completely unknown quantity for Liz. The Council was always just about vampires so she has no idea how to deal with Tyler. Better safe than sorry in her mind. And if she does know about the bite, well, there you have it. Because of this, maybe Caroline is crashing at Tyler’s after the party. She needs a break from her mom and there’s plenty of room at the Lockwood Manor and that’s why she’s in her lingerie: she’s getting ready for bed in one of the guest rooms.

        2) Another possible reason for her staying over at Tyler’s is the full moon that’s happening in 3×02. If the full moon is the night after Elena’s party, then Caroline might stay over just because it’s more convenient for her to help him get ready for his next transformation. If she’s still helping Tyler out, that is.

        3) Or, Tyler began to experience this pain at the party and Caroline is staying with him to make sure he’s going to be okay. Maybe his mom is out of town? Also, if Carol doesn’t know about the werewolf situation, then Tyler can’t really explain why he’s “not well” so Caroline is there to look after him and to help cover for him.

        So why does Tyler look like he’s in pain? Many have speculated it’s because he’s fighting with those “urges”, after all, we’ve been hearing a lot about these supernatural urges (for both vamps and weres) lately and since Tyler is feeling horny all the time, then maybe this is a result of that. Has Tyler had sex since he first triggered the curse? I’m not sure, but don’t think so. Maybe for werewolves, if they don’t have sex on a regular basis to deal with those supernatural urges it begins to manifest as something very painful. These urges could also be stronger because there’s a full moon coming. So maybe a powerful wave of those urges hit Tyler as he is undressing and he ends up lying there unmoving in the middle of the bed in an effort to calm himself and to get past it. Perhaps the pain becomes so great, he cries out? And lo, lingerie!Caroline, who’s been getting ready for bed in the guest room, comes running.

        So why does Caroline proceed to jump on him? How will that help? Did the “I’m just horny all the time” chat they had mean she understands why he’s lying there and in pain and she’s about to offer sex? (And if she’s not about to offer sex, I think jumping on him will just make him worse, poor guy, considering how he feels about her. LOL.)

        Or, maybe part of these urges werewolves have affects their body temperature even further and he that could be why he looks like he’s in so much pain—because he is literally overheating. This particular possibility allows me to address something that’s always piqued my curiosity in regards to TVD. Are TVD vamps colder than a normal human? It’s never been addressed. The TVD vamps have been in various forms of physical contact with humans, who’ve said nothing. Not even a casual remark about cold hands or anything. They could have had the chance when Tyler said “I’m hot” (Yes. Yes, you are, Tyler. Very) and Caroline just says she doesn’t have that problem. (Which is why I personally think that as long as they regularly feed on blood, they are the same temp as humans.)

        Anyhow, if the TVD vamps do turn out to be cooler than regular humans, maybe the show will finally acknowledge this by having Caroline jump on him to cool him down. (Again, it’s probably not going to help because of the way he feels about her. Heh.)

        And then sexy shenanigans will ensue!

        Also, I hope not because this cooling-Tyler-down scenario just sounds like a cheesy fan fic—the opposite of the trope where one of the characters is chilled and possibly hypothermic and the other character has to share their body heat with them.

        …Yeah, that was really brief. *rollseyes*

        • Spidey Sense

          This post, my friend, is why I love you, and need The Beast in my life right now. I’m sure The Beast is a Sexy Beast too ;)

          Your spec is fabulous and is taking my mind into heretofore unexplored vista (heard someone say this recently and have been dying to use it ;))

          It’s interesting, I’ve been so fixated on the half-nakedness of Tyler/Caroline I haven’t really put much thought into WHY they are in the not-so-humble Lockwood abode. I think you are right on the money speculating that Caroline is staying over because they are preparing for the full moon the next night… unless of course Caroline stays to tell Tyler how she feels. We know that she is bound to at some point over the course of the night, but it is intriguing to think of her staying over with her annoyance at Urges Girl hanging in the area like a White Unicorn letting out a giant neigh, but things still unresolved between her and Tyler. I am hanging out for awkwardness in some shape or form, whether it comes from Jeremy needling Tyler about his obvious feelings to Caroline not quite saying everything she wants to say and Tyler being slightly confused over the weirdness between them or conversely aware of Caroline’s feelings but giving her space to tell him in her own time.

          I am curious to discover whether or not werewolves are actually an unknown quantity for Liz or not. They killed civiilians in 1864, so it’s possible there are records with information about these creatures that Liz has been privy to. I do agree with you that she is unlikely to be favourable to any supernatural creatures other than Caroline, and I look forward to seeing how she perceives not only Tyler but Damon.

          Caroline very well may need a break from her mother if they are dancing around each other all summer because they’re not sure how to approach the vampire issue. It would be freeing for Caroline to talk to someone who just gets her predicament completely.

          Poor Trevino – if that is really just a sex face and there has been all this speculation about him looking like he is in pain, it has got to be a bit of an ego-crusher ;) I think it is just excitement built up to intense levels, but maybe he is suffering some other side effect of being a werewolf and hearing Tyler in pain, Caroline stops mid-undressing for sleep and instantly bounds over to help him without regard for her half-dressed state, as would be her way. Cue sudden sexiness when Tyler/Caroline realise how few articles of clothing are now between them.
          I really like the idea that Tyler’s urges might grow stronger closer to the full moon. His aggression has appeared in canon on full moon nights before he triggered the werewolf gene, so this would make perfect sense. Obvs I hope the TC action is the result of our favourite biting babies owning up to their feelings, but the notion of lingerie!Caroline to the rescue is a funny image (so long as it becomes more serious before they get down).

          You know, I’d taken for granted that vampires in this mythology are cooler than the ordinary human being, but aside from maybe an implicit reference to this (Stefan telling Vicki that coffee helps with circulation), there hasn’t really been any proof one way or another about their body temperature. I did enjoy the “I’m hot” scene, which somehow Trevino managed to pull off with a straight face and entirely different meaning than most fangirls would inflect this phrase with when it comes to him. In some ways it would be nice having Caroline be cooler in body temperature than any ordinary human, since this would reinforce the differences between her and Tyler, but it would be an interesting diversion from ordinary vampire mythology if vamps are close to ordinary human body temperature.

          Septe 15, come to me lover!

    • oxymoron417

      “So, with Elena bringing up Tyler and suggesting he’s more than friend material, Tyler being supportive after the unfriendly Matt encounter, and Caroline seeing Tyler with another girl all jumbling about in Caroline’s head, she finally realises what a silly girl she’s been, and when opportunity knocks and Tyler’s lying shirtless on his bed and she’s in her (really cute) matching bra and panties set, what option does she have other than to leap on him?”

      YES, YES, YES. Please let this be so. I’ve been thinking about Caroline’s speech to Elena and whether or not Elena would turn it around on her or just having that conversation and the run in with Matt will make Caroline realize that her friendly feelings for Tyler are a bit more than friendly. Actually, way more than friendly!


      I would also like for Matt’s and Caroline’s encounter at the party to further this whole Caroline-figuring-out-her-true-feelings thing. With this encounter being “unfriendly” and if Matt is continuing his modus operandi of being a douchebag to Caroline and says something mean or hurtful, I want Tyler to be there for her. Not necessarily to defend Caroline—I would love it if she finally defended herself and told Matt to get lost because she deserves to be treated better than second best. But let’s face it. She doesn’t have a great track record for doing this around Matt. Tyler wouldn’t even have to say anything to Matt, just be there for Caroline and maybe ask her if she’s okay once the encounter is over, and show her that someone in Mystic Falls does support her and cares about her wellbeing. And maybe offer to beat up Matt, which could elicit a smile or a laugh from Caroline, and she would reply that she’s stronger than Tyler and could beat up Matt all on her own if she wanted to.”

      Me too. I have wanted a Tyler/Matt confrontation ever since Tyler graciously let the girl go with the warning words “be good to her” and of course, he wasn’t. With Tyler’s head shake at the hearing of the break up, me thinks he’s going to have a few choice words for his former best friend.

      Like oh say, “You stupid freaking asshole. I told you to be good to her!”

      “Regardless of how Caroline may or may not feel, the show is clearly coming at this from a romantic angle because of the R&J storyline kicking off as early as 3×02, so I could see this being the thing that opens her eyes and makes her understand that “friendly” isn’t all that she feels towards Tyler.”

      Again, yes.

      “I think Caroline’s jealousy freak outs on Matt were more because he always treated her like garbage so it just compounded her feelings of insecurity. ”

      Yes, 100000 times.

      Basically, your post is awesome and you rock.

      • Paloma

        Aw, thank you! I’ve read your posts here and at TWoP* (I lurk there) and really enjoy what you have to say about Tyler and Caroline as individuals and as a ship. You rock, too! :D

        I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it if Tyler said, “You stupid freaking asshole. I told you to be good to her!” to Matt. You never know. He still might, only without the “asshole” part, being CW and all. *sigh* I really wish TVD was on HBO so they could properly swear and have proper sexy times. Although, on second thought, I don’t think I’d survive a T/C HBO sex scene. The hotness would surely kill me.

        *TWoP Howard sure has succeeded in killing the TVD threads. You’d think with the recent promo, all the new stills being released, and the new season only three weeks away, the boards would be hoppin’. S/he must really hate the show/ or something.

  • Jo

    please spare me on the jealousy disappointment! I’ve heard a lot of fans wanting it so we can see caroline’s feelings from her POV, and i think it’ll be different with tyler then it was with Matt. I’ve been following your blog for awhile now and i wanted to get this cleared.

    • Spidey Sense

      Hey Jo! Controversy, I like it! Just goes to show that Tyler/Caroline a pair so ripe for analysis that we can take strong opposing stances on tiny spoilers. The thing you have to know about me is that most of my ships on shows sink. If you are fan of Misfits, I bet I will need to say little more other than that my OTP Nathan/Kelly ending the way that it did has left me a cautious commentator. So, if I keep a healthy dose of cynicism in the hype that builds up in me prior to an episode, I don’t have to worry about being let down.

      My choice of words was probably wrong. “Wary” is much better to describe what I’m feeling rather than “disappointed”. I will say though that your comment made me view the situation in an entirely different way. Caroline lives so much of her life in her head, and sometimes can’t see the forest for the trees. I mean, take her first kiss with Tyler. Tyler kept asking her “why would you help me/risk it when a werewolf bite can kill a vampire” and she gets annoyed at him because she thinks it’s because he doesn’t want anyone to help him and hates being emotionally vulnerable. Now, there is probably a grain of truth to what she said. But Tyler obviously knew that on some level she must care for him, and was trying to get her to admit this without saying it in so many words. Eventually, she admits to caring (though perhaps not meaning it in the way that Tyler means), and he impulsively kisses her, giving her a momentary jolt about her feelings (she reacted emotionally to that kiss in a way I’ve never seen with Matt). Yet, she seems to have buried the meaning of that kiss completely, when I think everything about the way Tyler approached the kiss screamed SRS BZNS.

      So, you know what, even though jealousy is a device that can be used in a clichéd way on other shows, it is rather fitting for Caroline’s character – not so much because she is prone to jealous freak outs (which I think Matt always blew out of proportion and her jealous was always justified), but because Caroline has been treated as a placeholder by people for so long, it might be hard for her to notice the Real Thing until she sees it dancing with Urges Girl.

      I definitely agree that Tyler’s reaction would be different to Matt’s. For one thing, he would be secretly excited about any jealousy Caroline would be feeling, since it would imply she has feelings for him beyond friendship. On the other hand, I think he would reassure her of her importance to him, whereas Matt always adopted the attitude of “I’ve told you I love you, what more do you need?” HATE HATE HATE.

  • oxymoron417

    Hehe, Cherie, I am smug in my knowledge that it won’t be a FWB hookup or just a “scratch my itch” hookup.
    I
    think the jealousy angle can be a bit cliche, but like Paloma said, I think it’s more because Caroline is realizing, “Duh, I HAVE feelings for this guy.” Caroline’s jealousy issues with Matt was one hundred percent insecurity, because he made her feel like a piece of crap, where her jealousy, with Tyler is because she’s seeing the possibility of Tyler being with someone else and her chance slipping away.

    I think it’s a good thing. Remember, Caroline romanticizes things a lot and lives in her head and has this idea of what true love should be versus what it is. Seeing Tyler with another woman will knock her off of that pedestal and in the right direction.

    I also don’t think Tyler with a date with be intentional to hurt Caroline, just him trying to have a good time, and I don’t think he’d judge her for being jealous or be annoyed with it, like Matt.

    I’m also totally excited for Carol Lockwood to get her hands dirty. Woo! And seeing Tyler’s reaction to his mom trying to hurt his lady love.

    I really wish this damn hiatus would be over!!!

    • Spidey Sense

      Alyssa, you were the optimist Forwood Unicorn bunny through all of this, so revel in your smugness!

      I’m glad that the FWB scenario seems to be off the table. While it would be an interesting situation to examine from a psychological character study point of view, I would be on tenterhooks the whole time hoping Tyler would go through with it minus disclosing his true feelings, which would be close to a deal breaker on me loving him so much.

      I guess I just would have preferred if jealousy wasn’t required to get her to see the light. I’d much prefer simply teasing from Jeremy or Elena, or Elena saying that Caroline telling her life is passing her by is critical when she isn’t pursuing her (obvious to everyone else) feelings for Tyler. Though, Jo’s comment made me think about the situation in a different way, if you want to check my comment out ;) Maybe even her friends pointing out her feelings wouldn’t be strong enough, since she would probably just deny, deny, deny. Maybe she really does just need to get hit over the head, metaphorically, of course, though I wouldn’t mind her bitchslapping Matt.

      OMG, the thought of Tyler/Caroline/Carol drama is making me drool with excitement as much as naked Trevino torso porn. I really like the Tyler/Carol relationship, and am invested in it enough that seeing this damaged by Carol going after’s Tyler’s lady love would keep me on the edge of my seat.
      29 days and counting, bb, we are almost there! BTW, are you going to stop by the liveblog that Amy, Julie and I are going to do? We need a Forwood contingent going OMG TEH SEX! ;)

  • oxymoron417

    Sure! Where/when will the liveblog be held?

    • Spidey Sense

      We hold the liveblog will the premiere episode is happening. So, if you are watching in your room, you can come aboard and squee by racing from the TV to the computer whenever the mood strikes. Which I suspect will be A LOT of the time in this episode. ;)

      • oxymoron417

        I shall be there!

        “I’m glad that the FWB scenario seems to be off the table. While it would be an interesting situation to examine from a psychological character study point of view, I would be on tenterhooks the whole time hoping Tyler would go through with it minus disclosing his true feelings, which would be close to a deal breaker on me loving him so much”

        It would be great if he disclosed his feelings, but I’m not sure it will happen just yet.

        “OMG, the thought of Tyler/Caroline/Carol drama is making me drool with excitement as much as naked Trevino torso porn. I really like the Tyler/Carol relationship, and am invested in it enough that seeing this damaged by Carol going after’s Tyler’s lady love would keep me on the edge of my seat.
        29 days and counting, bb, we are almost there! BTW, are you going to stop by the liveblog that Amy, Julie and I are going to do? We need a Forwood contingent going OMG TEH SEX!”

        OMG! I am salivating at the idea of this storyline. Tis great!! I will be having unicorn bunnies popping out! The potential
        greatness of this story is just too much to be true!

        “Maybe even her friends pointing out her feelings wouldn’t be strong enough, since she would probably just deny, deny, deny. Maybe she really does just need to get hit over the head, metaphorically, of course, though I wouldn’t mind her bitchslapping Matt.”

        Yes, exactly!!

        • Spidey Sense

          Liveblogging is always so much fun, especially as Amy, Julie and I have different favourites though we tend to side on together on the important things (like hating Matt). Hehe! Amy isn’t the biggest Tyler fan, so when we liveblogged The Descent (since it was the first episode after hiatus), I was like OMG Forwood Unicorns in my visition when they kissed, and she was like, “Tyler, why are you wearing that hella dorky bulky sports watch ;)” We can all agree that Ian Somerhalder is hotness personified though, so expect squees when soapy Damon appears!

          I really do like Carol, so I’m interested to see how her betrayal of her son’s love interest pans out. Usually I’m just HATE HATE HATE with people like Matt and Liz when they are mean to Vampire Barbie, but I’m sure I’ll be more sympathetic to Carol, unless they turn her into a villainess without any layers.

          Thank YOU for making those awesome shirts in the first place! I’ll be SO excited if there are any Spidey readers there and they get the reference!

          Trevino doesn’t like Forwood because of the sound of it, and prefers the sounds of Cyler better (he pronounes istSyler, whereas I always say Kyler ;)) I just find it hilarious because initially remember how I loved Cyler the most? In the end, I’ve grown to love Forwood because saying Got Forwood in my recaps headlines reminds me of the slightly inappropriate CW promotions that I love so much ;)

          I guess I’ll just have to school Trevino about the Forwood moniker when I meet him!

  • Jo

    ThnQ for your response Spidey just to let you know I wasn’t angry. :) yeah I think that Tyler would reassure her unlike Matt has w/ his “I already said I love you, what more do you want?”

    I’m so excited for this season i bet it’ll be the best EVER!!! Thanks again!

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