From thrashing about like eels to sunlit days/moonlit nights – Speculation about Tyler/Caroline Sex vs Matt/Caroline Sex

 

Gen tweeted the first image at me and exclaimed “Trevino!Ass”. I was in awe of her ability to notice that, what with the rampant Tyler torso porn. As should we all be.

The Vampire Diaries season three extended promo gives us a far more explicit look at the Tyler/Caroline sex that will be going down (no, not going down in that way, you dirty, dirty Trevino mistresses to Gen’s husband!) in the first episode back after hiatus, Birthday.

It’s no accident that, in a promo drenched, no dripping with sex and blood, we have Caroline and Tyler action amped up to the max, whereas Matt/Caroline’s ill-fated attempt at sexytimes in season one was glaringly dispassionate/bloodless in tone.

Fellow Forwood unicorn lovers, we may not have gotten a promo poster of Caroline holding a banana (yes, I’m in a smutty mood at the moment), the one piece of fruit I think was grossly overlooked by CW’s marketing department.

But never fear, I am going to dissect every microsecond of TC sexy goodness we have gotten so far, and speculate the ways in which I think TC sex will differ dramatically from MC sex, in keeping with the differences in their relationships.

Disclaimer: I like Matt well enough when he is not around Caroline, but I think 12_12_12’s latest post on Matt/Caroline outlines why this relationship will forever be toxic in my eyes, and why I have side-eyeing him quite severely of late. Vampire Barbie and Teen Wolf come first for me, and their treatment by other characters colours my perceptions of those characters.

Now, with that outta the way, let’s get to the good stuff!

Spoilers for season three will be referenced, so read at your own risk!

My favourite Ginny Weasley line from the Harry Potter series will forever be the way she describes Ron and Lavender action: like a couple of eels thrashing about. That basically sums up the scene in season one where Matt and Caroline get busy in this clinical way (the lack of passion is remarkable), only to be interrupted by his mother, who is clearly disdainful of Caroline.

[Matt and Caroline are watching TV, Caroline shifts in annoyance]

Caroline: I’m bored.

Matt: Wow.

Caroline: But, we have this entire house to ourselves. I mean, it’s practically a bachelor pad.

Matt: And…

Caroline: So, shouldn’t we do something a little bit more bachelor-paddy?

Matt: What? Something like this?

Caroline: Something like that.

Matt: I don’t know. This is a pretty good show.

Caroline: Seriously?! [start kissing heavily until Kelly Donovan interruptus]

Caroline is the uber control freak planner here, right down to “let’s have sex!” The sex isn’t something that just instinctively happens because they both desperately want and need it, a wordless understanding of a couple caught up in the throes of passion. Caroline, a gorgeous girl, actually has to make a request to a teenage boy who is presumably in like with her to have sex with her! This really sets the tone of the kind of lover Matt is with Caroline, as opposed to how I imagine he would have been with Elena. He isn’t the initiator of affection with Caroline, he responds when prompted, sometimes adorably like here, but grudgingly in other instances.

I mean, their relationship really only developed because she wanted him to be more than a friend, and it has always felt like he is just along for the ride because he doesn’t want to be lonely. I got the distinct impression he would have been content to stay just friends (he didn’t actively want to take the next step with Caroline, and their first kiss was a result of him having lost her unless he was willing to take that risk).

The disturbing subtext for me in this scene is that Matt basically holds the terms of affection in the relationship and doles out affection when the mood strikes or he is prompted, rather than being a giving lover who is so enamoured with his brand new girlfriend that he can’t take his hands off her when they are in a bachelor-paddy house all alone, without any prodding.

Whereas, with Tyler/Caroline, my spec is that Caroline will admit her feelings to Tyler, and from there it will just naturally progress because boy likes girl, girl likes boy, sex.

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I don’t think Caroline will need to coax Tyler into ripping her clothes off, you know? Like most vintage Tyler/Caroline moments, I am speccing that most of their emotions will be expressed through intimate eye contact than anything else.

12_12_12 has talked about the “life is what happens when you’re making other plans” quality of Tyler/Caroline, how Caroline has acted more on instinct with Tyler than with anyone else, how she has been able to let go of her control freakiness somewhat with him. It’s partly because they have been thrown into situations where there hasn’t been time to perfectly plan the outcomes, but also because she simply has a more relaxed vibe with him. So, I am curious to see how spontaneous the sex is, how raw it is, between Tyler/Caroline.

I wouldn’t mind some little imperfections, sexily giggled off. I don’t need a sex scene out of a Harlequin novel, though I do want it to be beautifully filmed. I just mean that Caroline/Tyler is the kind of couple where they don’t have to be the perfect lover with each other. They could screw up, get Tyler’s shirt caught around his head or something while in the process of removing it, and would be able to cutely laugh it off before going back to the pure sex, and it would just be perfectly THEM.

The Tyler/Caroline sex is obviously just so passionate. That little moan that escapes from Caroline in the promo? Let’s just say that Matt has never got her moaning like that.

It didn’t escape my attention that where Caroline removes her own shirt with Matt, TYLER is the one to remove her dress. It just perfectly encapsulates the difference of the Matt/Caroline and Tyler/Caroline relationships – with Matt, Caroline was always the emotional initiator (unless Matt thought Caroline was in danger of moving on, as seen when he sniffed around in The Descent), always the one putting herself out there for him. Whereas, here is Tyler desperately needing to know every part of her, and I am perfectly okay with the fact that this is symbolized by him ripping her clothes off! My spec is that Caroline will be the one to remove Tyler’s shirt, and not Tyler himself.

In choosing Tyler, Caroline is rejecting her human (Matt) side and choosing her supernatural side, at least to some degree. I’m expecting a little supernatural freakiness, through displays of strength, vamp face, and/or glowy werewolf eyes to come into play, and represent this choice. It would be nice to have their bb supe sides on show because Tyler/Caroline fully accept one another, supernatural side and all, and having them be all hot and heavy regardless of these quirks would really showcase this. Who knows? Maybe they’ll find their supernatural quirks incredibly hot!

LOL, I think it’s pretty safe to say that the Tyler/Caroline sex is definitely not dream sex. I know that the Stefan/Katherine dream sex was pretty hot in the promo, but Tyler/Caroline are graphic in a way that no other Vampire Diaries sex scene has ever been, at least in the clips in the extended promo. I just don’t see that being fake, you guys! (unless this is an extremely, EXTREMELY horny figment of Tyler’s mind)

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Finally, Matt/Caroline were interrupted mid-coitus by Kelly Donovan. There will be blood if we are denied the full Tyler/Caroline sexytimes because of Mrs Lockwood interrupting, but it is interesting to think about whether Carol will interrupt TC in the afterglow phase or the morning after. Disapproval of Caroline by the mothers, for vastly different reasons, is definitely a common theme. It would be clever foreshadowing/payoff to have Mrs Lockwood respond with similar disdain to her son sexing up Caroline as Mrs Donovan did in the case of Matt.

Next week, after rewinding TC sex repeatedly, I’ll be posting a comparison of sexytimes as portrayed in the Vampire Diaries verse so far – kisses, and sex – initiation, the act, and afterglow/aftermath. Couples who will be included in what is sure to be a highly scientific analysis (TM Forever Young Adult): Tyler/Caroline, Matt/Caroline, Stefan/Elena, Katherine/Damon, Katherine-As-Elena/Damon, Jeremy/Many Ladies Who’ve Experienced Mini Gilbert, Tyler/Vicki, Katherine/Mason. Given this is the Year of Forwood AND Delena, I am sure I will add Damon/Elena to this comparison as the season goes on, but we may have to suffer through a slow burn, you guys. Am I missing any couples who deserve to be included? The rule is that some physical action, of the dream or non-dream variety, must have occurred.

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Thoughts?

I think I’ll take a cold shower, now.

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12 responses to “From thrashing about like eels to sunlit days/moonlit nights – Speculation about Tyler/Caroline Sex vs Matt/Caroline Sex

  • Gen

    S;LKDL;KJF;AKLL;

    This is all I can muster at this point. I need to be in the sanctuary of my bedroom at home to be able to express myself properly. Too many heads here at work to full focus on the TC sex lol.

    • Spidey Sense

      LOL forever! It was difficult maintaining my professional public face, I will tell you, after that promo circulated. Thank God I have all of you girlies who understand why it is vital that we analyse every frame of every clip of TC sex that we are blessed with.

      I look forward to your flailing, though I expect it will be nothing compared to the TC sex hurricane that explodes on all of our blogs next week.

  • Alyssa

    Cherie, as always I bow down to your genius. You make me wish I could be as wonderful as you. Stop it! LOL. I kid.

    “Caroline is the uber control freak planner here, right down to “let’s have sex!” The sex isn’t something that just instinctively happens because they both desperately want and need it, a wordless understanding of a couple caught up in the throes of passion.”

    Yes, Yes, Yes, and dare I say YESS!!!!!

    They are so damn vanilla. It was supposed to come off as cute, but it’s like, are you an asshole? I’m a one hundred percent straight woman, so it may be a little difficult for me to put myself in the male psyche, but if a girl like Candice Accola was sitting there next to me, and I was a guy, and she was all cute and hot and bothered and was like, “We have this whole house to ourselves,” I doubt my male self would be all “keep your pants on and let’s watch tv.” What a doofus.

    “I mean, their relationship really only developed because she wanted him to be more than a friend, and it has always felt like he is just along for the ride because he doesn’t want to be lonely. I got the distinct impression he would have been content to stay just friends (he didn’t actively want to take the next step with Caroline, and their first kiss was a result of him having lost her unless he was willing to take that risk).”

    Again, yes!!!

    “I mean, their relationship really only developed because she wanted him to be more than a friend, and it has always felt like he is just along for the ride because he doesn’t want to be lonely. I got the distinct impression he would have been content to stay just friends (he didn’t actively want to take the next step with Caroline, and their first kiss was a result of him having lost her unless he was willing to take that risk).”

    Yep. Exactly. He’s lonely and doesn’t want to be so he uses Caroline to fill that void, and it’s gross and a recipe for absolute disaster as we have seen.

    “Whereas, with Tyler/Caroline, my spec is that Caroline will admit her feelings to Tyler, and from there it will just naturally progress because boy likes girl, girl likes boy, sex.”

    Oh yeah! Ba chica na na.

    “I don’t think Caroline will need to coax Tyler into ripping her clothes off, you know? Like most vintage Tyler/Caroline moments, I am speccing that most of their emotions will be expressed through intimate eye contact than anything else.”

    Oh no, she will certainly not. He’ll be more than willing to have her. And have her, and have her. Because he’s not a self-involved doofus who thinks the world should pity his dumb ass. Ugh. Why is Matt still alive?

    “They could screw up, get Tyler’s shirt caught around his head or something while in the process of removing it, and would be able to cutely laugh it off before going back to the pure sex, and it would just be perfectly THEM.”

    Love this!!!!! It again reminds us that there’s no trying to be something they are not or perfect. Whether something happens, they’ll laugh it off and get right back on track, because they are just Caroline and Tyler around each other.

    “Whereas, here is Tyler desperately needing to know every part of her, and I am perfectly okay with the fact that this is symbolized by him ripping her clothes off! My spec is that Caroline will be the one to remove Tyler’s shirt, and not Tyler himself.”

    Um, do you want me to die? I need to use this quote, over, and over, and over. I’m dead. Just dead. Tyler needing to know every part of her. Yeah, dead.

    ” It would be nice to have their bb supe sides on show because Tyler/Caroline fully accept one another, supernatural side and all, and having them be all hot and heavy regardless of these quirks would really showcase this. Who knows? Maybe they’ll find their supernatural quirks incredibly hot!”

    Again, yes. Because they 100% accept each other.

    It’s not a dream, and I keep saying this for obvious reasons. If they are supposed to be RJ, and a run and romantic RJ at that, how can it be romantic without the sex. And as I have discovered, the writers are not great at being coy, especially fan girl Plec, who keeps reiterating wanting hot werepire sex. Yeah, it’s a little too graphic to be a dream.

    I keep hoping Caroline will go to the bathroom wearing Tyler’s shirt the next morning and will get intercepted by Mama Lockwood. How freaking hot. All I have to say is if we don’t get some kind of morning after scene, I’m going to sent the writers a disgusting edible arrangement basket, since they’re so keen on fruit.

    • Gen

      “I keep hoping Caroline will go to the bathroom wearing Tyler’s shirt the next morning and will get intercepted by Mama Lockwood. How freaking hot. All I have to say is if we don’t get some kind of morning after scene, I’m going to sent the writers a disgusting edible arrangement basket, since they’re so keen on fruit.”

      So much friggin WORD. Now I have my heart set on seeing this and if I doesn’t happen I’m going to just die lol.

    • Spidey Sense

      Alyssa, you are incredibly sweet, but girl you are way more wonderful and amazing. Your fan fiction and Tyler/Caroline rants are hilarious and witty, don’t every doubt that! I’m glad that I bring you joy and entertainment. I like to think that after all of our hard work analysing, recapping and giffing, the reward is being able to fangirl with each other and enjoy the products of our blood, sweat, tears and squees. I have missed the Vampire Diaries routine of checking out Julie’s blog, Price’s blog, Gen, Cath and everyone else’s Tumblr, 12’s livejournal, Fan Forum and now your spectacular Tumblr and WordPress blog. There will be so much TC goodness to enjoy I just cannot even.

      Tyler/Caroline’s sex scene looks so spontaneous and passionate, that the lack of chemistry in the Matt/Caroline sex scene, when you watch them back to back, is glaring.

      Matt is the proverbial Good Boy Woobie, where the writers are shooting for the genuinely endearing Matt Saracen type, but sadly end up closer to achieving the embodiment of the Dawson Leery model. The writers intended Matt/Caro sex to be cute, but the subtext is disturbing in the context of their relationship, with Matt emotionally withholding and Caroline asking for him to demonstrate affection that should just organically be there. I know that someone had to initiate the moment, but what stood out for me is that Matt/Caro had just gotten together at the time, and should be naturally all over each other. Yet Matt needs to be prompted to enjoy the charms of the gorgeous blonde crushing on him.

      Caroline will always be a Safety School choice for Matt, as he was for Elena. Thank God she is clearly cutting her losses and moving on. The cherry dangling just away from my mouth held by Ripper Stefan would be if she emphatically smacks him down BEFORE her and Tyler happen. As much as I am a shipper, I am a fan of Caroline and want her to be happy and not have to make any compromises on this.

      Seriously, I’m kind of hoping for a little stumble in their lovemaking but it being hot regardless. Stelena’s sex scene was gorgeous but it was just that little bit too perfect for my tastes. I would find it super endearing if Tyler and Caroline take a small, flawed moment in getting it on in their stride.

      Hehe. Yes, my aim is to make you die from a coma of glitter! The major thing that strikes me from the Tyler and Caroline sex is how much they both want each other, and how good they are for each other – they make each other feel wanted or needed. Whereas, Matt and Caroline just seems more about what they need for themselves – Caroline her romanticized ideal of love, Matt the filling of a lonely void. Caroline at least is as emotionally giving as she can be with Matt, but I guess I just feel they both want something from the other person, thought they would get it, but it just never seems to work. With Tyler and Caroline, it just does.

      If it turns out to be a dream, I for one will be shocked. Aside from the graphic nature of the clips, they want to kick off R&J. It is SO ON. Plus, as you state, there are too many hints from interviews and convention answers to deny that the sexytimes are going to explode out of the gate.

      OK, here is my little kink, just for you: I am hoping that Caroline will not only be wearing one of Tyler’s shirts, but his #1 red football jersey from The Kiss. Tyler has never looked hotter to me than he did in that jersey, and obviously it calls back a spectacularly good moment for Forwood. Not to mention the symbolism of the jock who previously cared only about himself as number one, and protecting his public persona, putting Caroline first.

  • Gen

    “The Vampire Diaries season three extended promo gives us a far more explicit look at the Tyler/Caroline sex that will be going down (no, not going down in that way, you dirty, dirty Trevino mistresses to Gen’s husband!) in the first episode back after hiatus, Birthday.”

    LOL! MY HUSBAND! I love it.

    Oh my love for Trevino!Ass overwhelmes all. After “reviewing” the promo and was some how to get past all the al;kef;aksdjf I narrowed in onto that beautiful ass of his lol. I regret NOTHING.

    “So, I am curious to see how spontaneous the sex is, how raw it is, between Tyler/Caroline.”

    I’m super curious as well. I was just discussing this with Cath. I have these scenarios in my head, but honeslty I just want to see how it goes down in the show, because either way I’ll be happy. The one I can see happening at this point is that Caroline gets jealous at the party, confronts Tyler and maybe a little argument happens or something. At the end of the night something happens and BAM TC sex is going down lol. What I love most is that through spoilers it’s most likely that it’s going down in Tyler’s house. So I love that it’s CAROLINE going to TYLER. LOOOOOVE IT!!!

    “I wouldn’t mind some little imperfections, sexily giggled off. I don’t need a sex scene out of a Harlequin novel, though I do want it to be beautifully filmed. I just mean that Caroline/Tyler is the kind of couple where they don’t have to be the perfect lover with each other. They could screw up, get Tyler’s shirt caught around his head or something while in the process of removing it, and would be able to cutely laugh it off before going back to the pure sex, and it would just be perfectly THEM.”

    I can see this happening down the road when they have blossomed into to a full fledged relationship. Because, come on, there has to be more TC sex. There HAS to be. But their first time, I can see them being focused on each other. Eye contact and lots of touching and moaning. Good guh.

    What I do want to see during this awesomeness is hands in the hair. Her hands in his. His hands in her’s, I don’t care, but it must happen. I would die to see Caroline run her hands in Tyler’s hair since she does it during full moons. Just gimme that much please!

    “My spec is that Caroline will be the one to remove Tyler’s shirt, and not Tyler himself.”

    Yes! Me too! I want this too happen so bad, it’s ridiculous. Granted if Caroline gets to his house and Tyler is already half way there already I won’t be complaining. At all. ; )

    TC SEX IS HAPPENING CHERIE!! CANON!! Dear God, if it’s a dream I’m burning something down and beating someone up after I rewatch that scene a few times lol. Because, the hip grinding, Caroline jumping on Tyler, her being on top, him being on top, rocking up against her, Caroline arching and moaning, *Fans self* It’s killing me. I need this in my life NOW.

    THREE MORE DAYS!!!!!!

    • oxymoron417

      “I’m super curious as well. I was just discussing this with Cath. I have these scenarios in my head, but honeslty I just want to see how it goes down in the show, because either way I’ll be happy. The one I can see happening at this point is that Caroline gets jealous at the party, confronts Tyler and maybe a little argument happens or something. At the end of the night something happens and BAM TC sex is going down lol. What I love most is that through spoilers it’s most likely that it’s going down in Tyler’s house. So I love that it’s CAROLINE going to TYLER. LOOOOOVE IT!!!”

      Agreed. She’ll be jealous, douchebaggery enters and is all put off that she’s staring at Tyler, who notices the conversation between Matt and Caroline and wants to see what it was about, Caroline makes a snide comment about Tyler’s date, Tyler says something regarding how he feels and how she DOESN’T feel and then she ends up going to his house later in the evening and sex ensues!!!

      “I can see this happening down the road when they have blossomed into to a full fledged relationship. Because, come on, there has to be more TC sex. There HAS to be. But their first time, I can see them being focused on each other. Eye contact and lots of touching and moaning. Good guh. ”

      Hehe. YES! Although my spec is that they’ll be a couple immediately after the sex. It’ll be an unspoken thing, as Forwood is always show not tell. Unlike Mashed Potatoes.

      “What I do want to see during this awesomeness is hands in the hair. Her hands in his. His hands in her’s, I don’t care, but it must happen. I would die to see Caroline run her hands in Tyler’s hair since she does it during full moons. Just gimme that much please!”

      Are you trying to kill me? STOP! LOL. Now I am going to want that!

      • Spidey Sense

        I’m really looking forward to a sexual tension laden tiff between Tyler and Caroline. I LOVED how Caroline got annoyed with him before the kiss when she thought he was being difficult about letting anyone help him. I’m hoping to see her cute, quirky argumentativeness, especially when she isn’t sure what is upsetting her so much about him dancing with another chick (even if it is obvious to us). I really want to see how differently Tyler reacts to confrontations as the new zen, cool as a cucumber Tyler.

    • Spidey Sense

      Oh, Trevino and his Trevino!Ass have been spoken for already. Bitches best be warned!

      There’s potential spontaneity for the sex in various ways. Like if Tyler and Caroline get into an argument, her suddenly realising what her feelings are and going back to his house to go for it. Or even in the simple natural progression from them telling each other how they feel and just going from there. I just doubt we will have a “let’s do something bachelor-paddy” speech. Just as Caroline saying, “I care, Tyler” was enough for him to give her an Ambush Kiss, I’m fully expecting that once one of them puts themselves out there, the other will reciprocate without any prodding.

      Tyler made the first move during The Kiss, and he has also vocalised his feelings. So I kinda hope that Caroline is the one to initiate the action by saying how she feels. Although I wouldn’t mind third parties to make innuendo-laden remarks about the obvious chemistry between Tyler and Caroline, I don’t want anyone else to be involved in the exchange of the first explicit “I love yous”.

      I have no doubt their sex scene will be perfect, because the Treccola chemistry is undeniable. Also, having Tyler gyrating half-naked could never not be hot, especially when accompanied by a Caroline moan. Thank you, CW, for giving us the smuttiest and hottest sex scene yet, or so it seems, from this show!

      Gen, let me die at the thought of them having each other’s hands tangled in each other’s hair. SO HOT! Can I add a request for Trevino to do that finger-grazing thing he sometimes does, plus the signature Chin-Tuck at some point?

      Honestly, what sane girl WOULDN’T try to be the one to remove Tyler’s clothing in a hot and heavy setting? Oh right, Thing Two wouldn’t!

      Good lord, I am going to be bouncing off the walls on Friday (when I catch the livestream here in Australia for the season three first episode), along with all of the other Tyler and Caroline fans. That bed grinding scene in particular gets me going whenever I view it (which is A LOT lately).

      Thank God for you, Cath and the other Tumblr lovelies who will capture every microsecond of the action from every position available. Truly, we are in your debt! Hehehehehe.

  • Jessy

    I just wanted to say that i love your blog and always wait for a new awesome Forwood or Trevino related article from you :D
    I can’t wait for the sexytimes comparison post! but you forgot to mention Caroline/Damon (no matter how sick that was) and Stefan/Katherine (now that was incredibly hot imo).
    Can’t wait for your next post! :D

    • Spidey Sense

      Hi Jessy!

      I’m always excited to meet another Trevino and Forwood fan! It’s so much fun to share squee with others who are as fannishly obsessed as me!

      Ohh, I missed Stefan/Katherine?? For shame! I love this pairing. I’m definitely covering them. I honestly had overlooked Caroline and Damon. That will be a tricky one, considering the amount of compulsion involved, and people’s differing views about the squickiness of this. Caroline and Damon had many of the hallmarks of what a human/vampire relationship probably would be like where the human was viewed as a sex toy/food source rather than the special human snowflake all of these vamp tales have that the vamps want for more than just their blood.

      Stefan/Katherine is like Forwood in that it is very much a Show Don’t Tell pairing. What is particularly interesting about them is that strong arguments can be made one way or another about how they both feel about each other.

      I can’t wait to write the sexytimes post! I expect I’ll be flush with excitement over Forwood sex, so there’ll be a lot of “hnnngs” and “unfs” thrown in for good measure.

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